Brigid ([info]irish_brigid) wrote,
@ 2008-10-03 08:56:00
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Current location:apartment -- being sick
Current mood: annoyed
Current music:none at the moment
Entry tags:goth, rant, religion, stupidity, teenager

You gotta be kinding me.
I ripped this transcript off of [info]mineka_c I haven't been able to find the original video, however.

This whole thing was so ridiculous that I just had to tear it apart point by point.

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If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the Lord! Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your child may have gone astray from the Lord. Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous culture that young teenagers are prone to participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil, darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counselling, prayer, and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child:
(Um. Okay. Well, really being Goth is pretty nasty from my understanding. Then again, anything that depressing would be.)

* Frequently wears black clothing.

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I ripped this transcript off of <lj user="mineka_c"> I haven't been able to find the original video, however.

This whole thing was so ridiculous that I just had to tear it apart point by point.

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If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the Lord! Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your child may have gone astray from the Lord. Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous culture that young teenagers are prone to participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil, darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counselling, prayer, and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child:
(Um. Okay. Well, really being Goth is pretty nasty from my understanding. Then again, anything that depressing would be.)

* Frequently wears black clothing. <Gosh, the jacket I most often wear is mostly black. Does that make me goth? Does wearing black pants to church count?>

* Wears band and/or rock t-shirts. <Or maybe the kid likes those bands. *shrug*>

* Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish. <Well, maybe. It certainly does indicate poor taste.>

* Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include: reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols. <Ankhs? Up until then I was halfway buying this sublist. Not that reversed crosses are necessarily Satanic. They're also the symbol for one of the saints, Paul I think, who was crucified but requested that he be hung upside down so as not to be killed in the exact same manner as Jesus.>

* Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos. <... Uh, ever heard of teenagers?>

* Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)<She does? Well, I don't really know anything about her so I couldn't say. This point actually has some validity as music is a rather powerful conveyor of ideas. I wouldn't recommend freaking out, though.>

* Associates with other people that dress, act or speak eccentrically. <Define eccentric. Under the dictionary definition just about everyone I know, including my parents, are eccentric. And none of us are Goth.>

* Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports. <The key word here is declining, which would seem to indicate that the kid had an interest before. Which is different from me, since I never had an interest in sports and would dispute it's inclusion as a wholesome activity. Not necessarily related to the kid being Goth, by the way. Could be the kid is experiencing religious doubts, had a change in interests (it does happen, you know), or maybe something more serious. I'd worry about drugs before Goth.>

* Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan. <Inquiring minds want to know. These are teenagers we're talking about, right? Their finding out just how big and strange the world is. Death, at any rate, doesn't mean the kid's gone into Satanism. Maybe some kids at school were discussing the death of someone. Maybe he/she saw something on the news. Death is scary. As for the rest... there can be dangers, but don't flip out because your kid brought home a copy of Bram Stoker's Dracula.>

* Takes drugs. <Get the kid help.>

* Drinks alcohol. <Ditto.>

* Is suicidal and/or depressed. <This is an indication of a chemical imbalance. Bring the kid to a doctor.>

* Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.) <Or the kid is looking for attention. Still, seeking medical advise is a good idea. Just don't rant to the doctor about how your kid sold his soul to the devil.>

* Complains of boredom. <This guy never had kids, did he. I think everyone over the age of 5 complains of boredom. Frequently. Threaten to give the kid chores and they'll be busy in a heartbeat.>

* Sleeps too excessively or too little. <Hello! Puberty! All kinds of crazy changes in the body that can seriously mess up the sleep cycle.>

* Is excessively awake during the night. <Some people are just naturally night owls. *coughmecough*>

* Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.) <Maybe. Or there could be something else going on. Like maybe the kid's sick.>

* Demands an unusual amount of privacy. <One word: TEENAGER! I wasn't exactly a normal teen, but I did shut myself up in my room a lot. Hey, I'm the oldest of four. Little siblings are annoying at that age.>

* Spends large amounts of time alone. <See above. Sheesh. Maybe the kid's just an introvert.>

* Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child may speak to evil spirits through meditation.) <Again, these are teenagers we're talking about here. Maybe the kid's introspective. Maybe the rest of the family is noisy and he just wants time to himself to relax. These kids are trying to find out who they are and it's hard to do that when there's a lot of noise. The inside of their heads is crazy enough without a lot of insanity outside.>

* Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult. <... Do I even have to explain how that's perfectly normal?>

* Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this. <The rebellious teen is a stereotype for a reason.>

* Misbehaves at school. <Normal, but should be dealt with for disciplinary reasons.>

* Misbehaves at home. <Same. Seriously, has this guy even seen a child before?>

* Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this. <Say what??>

* Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.) <Gee. I guess that African tribe that mixes cow blood with their milk are all Satanic vampires. Seriously, though, this doesn't bode well in our culture and really should be looked at.>

* Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.) <Cable is the work of the Devil? I better let EWTN know. (In case you don't know, EWTN is a cable network run by *nuns*.>

* Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature. <*bangs head against wall* You know, the funny thing is that kids who play video games are actually less likely to be violent in real life than kids who don't. There have been studies on this. I mean, sheesh, I've played a few first-person shooters. I stink, but I have tried. I also play AD&D and the occasional LARP (live action role-play). And for the record, I go to church every week.>

* Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer. <Well, this is an indication of something that starts with 'g', but it's not Goth. *coughgeekcough*>

* Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music. <Satanic symbols, not good. Violently shaking head to music... Well, it's that or tapping your feet and at least in a car that isn't a good idea.>

* Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner. <Pick a tradition dance style. Any traditional dance style. Well, maybe not the polka.>

* Expresses an interest in sex. <Excuse me while I die laughing.>

* Masturbates <Ew. But not necessarily Goth.>

* Is homosexual and/or bisexual. <Gee. You're really helping us religious sorts look tolerant and open minded. What does a sexual dysfunction have to do with Goth? Or what he really seems to be talking about, Satanism?>

* Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth". <Philosophy is a religion??>

* Claims to be a goth. <Okay, then you can worry.>

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center. <Some of the above points do warrant a visit to a mental health center, but if the kid really is involved in Satanism then I'd recommend finding an exorcist.>



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[info]b_rian
2008-10-04 06:04 am UTC (link)
Marilyn Manson is a guy. Though it is hard to tell sometimes. For the record, the guy who made this Goth list is blissfully unaware that Marilyn Manson has publicly stated he doesn't really think he's the antichrist or even a real Satanist, it's just an act he puts on for his music videos.

People have always made lists like these. I read a book once that was written in the 80's which claimed army themed toys would turn kids into blood thirsty soldiers. Most of the Gi Joe fans I know turned out to be toy collectors, not soldiers.

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[info]irish_brigid
2008-10-05 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Definitely. I'd really like to find out who came up with this thing in the first place and... Well, it'd just be nice to know the source of this stupidity.

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[info]indigo_kitsune
2008-10-04 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Oh good grief!

Like you have said I don’t think this person knows anything about kids at all.

I spend a lot of time on a web site frequented by teenagers and young adults, some of these people cut themselves and have other issues they are seeking help for. I also have my own experiences, over half of the stuff listed here has everything to do with growing up and finding out who you are.

The act of cutting releases endorphins, producing calm relief or even euphoria. Some one who cuts might have other issues that need to be addressed as well or else they just likethe hight they get from cutting.

As far as Vampires go I have done some resruch and while I find vampires fascinating, I only want to encounter them in books and moves.
Fear of the sun is a very conmen theme, because sun light kills vampires.
There is a condition called xeroderma pigmentosum, the disorder that turns sunlight into poison for the people with the condition.
http://dermnetnz.org/systemic/xeroderma-pigmentosum.html ( this website has information on Xeroderma Pigmentosum )

I would only be worried if the kid was showing antisocial behavior, running with a bad crowed, satanic activities or showing other signs that send up red flags.

Honestly this person should do some resruch and learn some of the reasons behind human behaviors, not to mention medical conditions

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[info]irish_brigid
2008-10-05 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Very true. I also think some people tend to attribute spiritual causes for things when a more mundane explanation would do.

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[info]indigo_kitsune
2008-10-05 04:40 pm UTC (link)

No kidding, there is a time for the spiritual but there is also a time for science. Well all we can do is keep out selves informed and try not to be fooled by the uninformed.

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2008-10-08 11:36 am UTC (link)
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(Anonymous)
2008-10-08 11:27 pm UTC (link)
Hahaha! Thats just plain ridiculous. This guy has never met a teenager. What a dumass.

This is Shadow btw.

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